March 9, 2013

"How the demographic shift could hurt Democrats, too"

An op-ed in the Washington Post from a young professor at Harvard:
How the demographic shift could hurt Democrats, too 
By Ryan D. Enos, Published: March 8 
Since the November election, in which President Obama won huge majorities among minority voters, it’s been taken as gospel that the Republican Party must, for its own survival, seek to appeal to those groups by moving to the left on topics such as immigration reform. But as the nation becomes more diverse, the demographic shift can cut the other way, too: Some Democratic voters are likely to move to the right. 
It’s assumed that, as the United States becomes increasingly non-white, white Democrats will continue to support the party. But a substantial amount of social-science evidence suggests a different conclusion: As the United States becomes more racially and ethnically diverse, liberal whites might start leaning Republican. 
Consider a straightforward experiment I conducted last year: Over two weeks, I sent pairs of Latino men in their 20s to ride commuter trains in the greater Boston area, often cited as one of the nation’s most liberal regions. 
These people were not asked to do anything out of the ordinary, just to wait for the train and ride it. The pairs I sent were native Spanish speakers, so when they spoke to each other, it was probably in Spanish. To gauge other riders’ attitudes about Latinos, I surveyed them before the experiment and two weeks into the tests. In each case, the trains and times were randomly selected and were later compared with a control group of riders on different trains. These trains originated in communities with very few Latino residents, and the men I sent to ride the trains were often the only Latinos at those stations on a day-to-day basis. In this sense, the experiment was testing how people react when a very small group of Latinos moves to a new community. 
The results were clear. After coming into contact, for just minutes each day, with two more Latinos than they would otherwise see or interact with, the riders, who were mostly white and liberal, were sharply more opposed to allowing more immigrants into the country and favored returning the children of illegal immigrants to their parents’ home country. It was a stark shift from their pre-experiment interviews, during which they expressed more neutral attitudes.

The Boston-NYC-DC corridor that dominates punditry is simply a generation or two behind much of the rest of the country in exposure to the effects of illegal immigration.
... In a more recent example, the city of Chicago began a massive effort in 2000 to overhaul its public housing. Large and notorious housing projects, such as Cabrini-Green, were demolished, and their residents were relocated. More than 99 percent of the relocated residents were African American. The outcome of the effort was the reverse of my experiment in Boston — rather than coming into contact, groups were separated. 
Did that separation result in more liberal political views? Voting patterns among white residents living near these projects before and after their demolition showed that it did. After their African American neighbors left, fewer white residents turned out to vote, and voters became less likely to choose Republican candidates, whom they had previously supported at higher levels than had residents in other parts of the city. It seems that the contact with African Americans had politically mobilized whites in Chicago, similar to how Southern whites were mobilized in the 1930s. 
To explore whether there was a similar effect among minority voters, in 2008 I conducted an experiment in which I sent a letter to African American voters just before an election in Los Angeles. The content of the letter was simple: It reminded people to vote and included a map noting how often people on their block voted compared with a nearby block. In some randomly selected cases, the comparison block consisted of African American residents; in others, it was largely Latino. When the letter pointed to a majority-Latino block, African Americans were significantly more likely to vote, suggesting that they were concerned about political competition with Latinos — even though both groups vote overwhelmingly for Democrats.
In that same year, I examined the voting of Latinos in Los Angeles and found that those who lived near predominantly African American neighborhoods were far less likely to vote for Obama than Latinos who lived farther away — suggesting that contact with their African American neighbors may have prompted them to vote against an African American candidate. 
As different groups come into contact, people often have adverse reactions, and this can cause them to vote for a party that represents opposition to other groups. In today’s electoral landscape, that might mean white Democrats would be more willing to vote Republican. There is some evidence that when most people vote against their party identification — perhaps as a Reagan Democrat, just once — they return to their regular partisan identity within an election or so. However, if people make that switch during their impressionable years, in their teens or 20s, it can last a long time. ... 
None of these findings bode well for Democrats. As ethnic groups mix, voters become more exclusionary and tend to vote for more racially conservative candidates — which may make it more difficult to maintain a diverse Democratic Party and could tilt the field in favor of Republicans.

I did a quick analysis after the 2000 election that suggested that the type of minority mattered: in states with a lot of blacks, whites voted more Republicans, and in states with a lot of Asians, whites voted more Democratic, with the Hispanic impact falling in between. If your main complaint about your Asian neighbor is that you have to close the window when her six-year-old daughter starts her violin practice, you are likely to find the Diversity Narrative much more plausible than if your black neighbor holds pit bull fights in the back yard.

But, of course, a huge advantage the Democrats have is holding the bullhorn that spews the Narrative. Their naturally rickety coalition of fringe groups would tend to turn on each other, but if the media can constantly gin up incidents, no matter how absurd, to elicit fear and loathing of the Straight White Gentile Man to unify the Obama Coalition, well, are you going to bet against the Democrats?

176 comments:

  1. "I did a quick analysis after the 2000 election that suggested that the type of minority mattered: in states with a lot of blacks, whites voted more Republicans, and in states with a lot of Asians, whites voted more Democratic..."

    Uh, Steve, there are only three states with a lot of Asians, and one is Hawaii.

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  2. Gould K.L. Brownlee3/9/13, 5:36 PM

    The demographic shift can hurt the overwhelmingly White Democratic Party by DESTROYING THEIR COUNTRY utterly. Of course these fools and cowards profess to welcome that calamity, but when the country that makes their wealth and delusions possible and that insulates their Ivory Towers from the lively, vibrant, diverse mob melts away; they will not enjoy the violent ambush by reality that follows.

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  3. Next up, the Democrats will introduce legislation that:

    1. Prevents NAMs from riding public transport in Democrat-held districts for three months prior to November in election years, and

    2. Requiring more Asians to ride public transport in Republican-held districts for three months prior to November in election years.

    That could be an effective election strategy.

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  4. It's too bad there isn't something like Morbidity and Mortality for the body politic. It would be the perfect place to publish articles like this.

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  5. We haven't seen a race riot in the US in the age of social media yet. If George Zimmerman is found innocent and, say, Twitter doesn't go down that day, will the Democrats be able to maintain control of that narrative?

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  6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARmw4D4pzIw

    Django Enrolled

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  7. http://www.radiojai.com.ar/files/Yityish%20(Titi)%20Aynaw.jpg

    Ms. Israel.

    You gotta hand it to the Jews. They sure know how to run a clever media game.
    Israelis inject African women with no-baby chemicals and throw out a whole bunch of black refugees but put forth a black Ms. Israel(who will be made a big deal by the Jewish-controlled MSM).

    Jews in America avoid most blacks, get richer and richer, live in exclusive neighborhoods and attend special schools... but they get themselves a mulatto puppet-president, and that's supposed to mean Jews and blacks are brothers under the skin.

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  8. The comments posted about this article on the Washington Post website are incredible. Such hatred. How can they consider themselves "liberal?"

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  9. Hmmm, the Republicans could implement a Django on Trains strategy.

    Pay mean looking blacks to ride public transport in Democratic-held districts that contain lots of whites and pick fights with whites.

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  10. Wow. Instead of just pointing out that diversity leads to friction, he seems more interested in keeping the party together.

    Well I guess the silver lining is that there's an off chance that the libs, after reading his study, may soon promote racial segregation in order to stay in power.

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  11. Uh, Steve, there are only three states with a lot of Asians, and one is Hawaii.

    Maybe only 3 states if you are looking at state population numbers, but every large metro areas on the west coast and east coast have significant Asian populations.

    I don't think Asians influence how Whites vote, but I see urban Liberals influencing how young educated Asians vote.

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  12. The south more blacks made whites more republican but in SO Calif more hispanics and asians made whites more Democratic. Take San Diego when it was about 90 percent white in 1970 it went for the Republicans but now when its abour 32 percent hispanic and 12 percent asian it went for the Democratics. Same thing happen in Orange County 90 percent white OC voted over 60 percent for Republicans now Mittens got only 53 percent since the population is now 17 percent Asian and 34 percent Hispanic. I predict Texas will go like Orange County Ca not like southern states why because it has a lot of ex-Orange County people like Chuck Devore as Texas gets more Hispanic and it might even increase the asian population from 4 to 8 percent it well become more less Red. After All Texas voted for Mittens only 4 points more than Orange County Ca.

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  13. Hmmm, the Republicans could implement a Django on Trains strategy.

    Pay mean looking blacks to ride public transport in Democratic-held districts that contain lots of whites and pick fights with whites.


    The Israeli Right is doing a variation on this:

    Watch the leftist's real face emerge as Israel's right-wing member of Knesset, Dr. Michael Ben Ari, invites 40 Sudanese migrants to an exclusive pool frequented by leftist celebrities.

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  14. Uh, Steve, there are only three states with a lot of Asians, and one is Hawaii.

    Maybe only 3 states if you are looking at state population numbers, but every large metro areas on the west coast and east coast have significant Asian populations.

    I don't think Asians influence how Whites vote, but I see urban Liberals influencing how young educated Asians vote.

    3/9/13, 6:27 PM
    Most of them are liberal with the exception of Orange and San Diego counties. I think Orange is over 500,000 Asians and San Diego is over 400,000. Orange slightly red while San Diego is purpple. Houston has the largest number in Texas of asians and its a purple county.

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  15. I notice that many liberal people actually are opposed to illegal immirgation and don't trust either party on the issue. The liberals opposed know how big business has driven down the wages and liberals that support it usually are into the multicultural stuff more.

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  16. "I don't think Asians influence how Whites vote, but I see urban Liberals influencing how young educated Asians vote."

    The lack of Asian influence is a kind of influence because a lot of blacks would surely influence how whites vote.
    So, Asian influence is their lack of influence, so much at odds with blacks who certainly do influence how whites vote(at least with their feet).

    Btw, lots of blacks doesn't mean whites will necessarily vote Republican. They might just go with the white-friendlier Democrat if such are around, and they are always around. It's like NYers going with white mayors than with black ones. It's like white Chicagoans going with white or Jewish mayor than a black one.

    Plenty of white liberals slyly know how to play the anti-black card.

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  17. Black folks don't like their jobs stolen by wetbacks either. I am not surprised at the results of the black folks test.

    But the Talented Tenth, the National Association for the Advancement of Certain People (with its "lite, brite, almos' white" leader Ben Jealous) and others like Al and Jesse already HAVE theirs, so they really don't give a damn about poor black folks being replaced with sleeping-eight-to-a-room Mexican peasants.

    And believe me, Harvard and Oberlin are filled up with those bright shiny sistahs and bruthahs on the make.

    Bottom line, the last person to give a damn about jobs stolen from poor black folks was a black dyke from Texas, Barbara Jordan.

    Since then, all the other hi-yalla fools like Obama, with his rich white granny and high-rise apartment, just want to hang out with the rich white kids.

    But as long as the rich white kids throw them a bone and give them some overpaid job, they are as happy to shill for the Summers and Bernankes tip the cows come home.

    They want nothing more than to get out there on their little three wheel bicycles with Prof. Gates on Martha's Vineyard.

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  18. "I notice that many liberal people actually are opposed to illegal immirgation and don't trust either party on the issue. The liberals opposed know how big business has driven down the wages"

    That observation has in part lead to my Big Prediction of the Great Political Realignment to Come.

    Basically, I think that the coalitions in both parties increasingly lack political logic. Under Reagan, the GOP was basically the party diametrically opposed to The Soviets. Capitalism and religion was a natural ideological opposition to communism and atheism. People were inspired to believe in whatever opposed the USSR.

    Now the Soviets are long gone and social conservatives and economic conservatives are decoupling. Meanwhile, The Democrats have become less interested in blue collar workers and more interested in identity politics.

    My prediction is that at some point a populist, protectionist, anti-Wall Street politician will emerge on the Middle Right who will alienate the Libertarian-leaners, but draw in the anti-immigration, anti-free trade (mostly white) Democrats. Basically, a genial, white conservative with a humble background who can win over the genial, white liberals in Ohio, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

    The Democrats will then spend some time in the wilderness and realize that they will have to win over the Latin-- I mean the secular, Big Business, pro-immigration, pro-free trade, CNBC watching "conservatives".

    I'd be voting for the Democrats at that point, but I think the rest of you would be happier with the GOP.

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  19. Reg Cæsar3/9/13, 7:46 PM

    It seems that the contact with African Americans had politically mobilized whites in Chicago, similar to how Southern whites were mobilized in the 1930s.  --Enos

    Yeah, but Southern whites were practically Communists in those days. At least two governors called FDR a Bolshevik, and their constituents said "damn right", and gave him a landslide. And their fathers led the fight for the income tax.

    Yes, they rebelled against Truman, Kennedy and especially Johnson, but not against the divorced Chicago Unitarian egghead who challenged the war hero born in Texas.

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  20. Reg Cæsar3/9/13, 8:09 PM

    Uh, Steve, there are only three states with a lot of Asians, and one is Hawaii. --Truth

    Maybe only 3 states if you are looking at state population numbers, but every large metro areas on the west coast and east coast have significant Asian populations. --anon

    Not just the coasts. Minnesota has slightly below the US figure for Asians, but Saint Paul's county has been for several censuses running the most Asian county in the 45 states not on the Pacific. (Or I should say 'Oriental'; a county in Jersey may be tops if you count subcontinentals.)

    Half of those Asians are Hmong, who probably push working whites to the right, but white bureaucrats and academics more than make up for it. However, Michele Bachmann's district is right next door...

    The concentration of Indochinese in Wausau and Green Bay hasn't helped Wisconsin Democrats all that much, considering their recent losses on gay marriage, concealed carry and public sector unions.

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  21. As you've noted more than once on this blog, the Boston metro area is a weird place.

    The white working and underclass is tremendously racist. These are the people with Boston accents, and those that do vote Dem tend to vote according union sympathies more than anything else. So while they despise AA, illegal immigration, and aren't over-fond of Obama, they'd sooner vote down party-lines than support a management type like Romney (This is also why people like Scott "I Drive a Pick-Up Truck" Brown win once in a while).

    But Boston and most of its suburbs are minority-majority cities, and the Irish/Italian lower-class stalwarts are further diluted by Haitians, Brazilians, Vietnamese, etc.

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  22. ben tillman3/9/13, 8:34 PM

    Consider a straightforward experiment I conducted last year: Over two weeks, I sent pairs of Latino men in their 20s to ride commuter trains in the greater Boston area, often cited as one of the nation’s most liberal regions.

    Wow -- I was almost certain he was going to say "one of the nation's most racist regions".

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  23. the only time liberals pretend to like mestizos, africans, arabs, and various other vibrant groups is when it's election time. during that time period they love to crow about them.

    at any other time, liberals spend a lot of effort to avoid interacting with their "fellow" democrats. i regurlarly talk to my liberal friends on the web and they routinely slur various vibrant groups which they have to deal with in whatever city they live in.

    sometimes i chide them during these moments of truth. "That's no way to talk about your fellow Democrats. Those are the guys helping you achieve all your political goals. Walk up to a random black guy tomorrow, and thank him. Buy a random mexican guy lunch. Stop in this weekend at the closest korean church or islamic mosque, and thank the people there for permanently making the US a 1 party nation and helping you smash those racist republican losers like me."

    in private chats with my liberal friends, especially liberals in california, they love to bash mexicans. they hate what they're doing to the state, hate dealing with them in the neighborhood, hate dealing with them on the highway, hate dealing with them at the beach, hate how they're ruining their towns and real estate.

    when i point out their hypocrisy they fall silent for a moment. but only a moment. they then continue on. it's like in that moment their brain encounters the intellectual contradiction, ponders it for a moment, then discards it.

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  24. "We haven't seen a race riot in the US in the age of social media yet."

    yes we have. the national television media almost completely ignores them though. so it's easy to miss when they happen.

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  25. My prediction is that at some point a populist, protectionist, anti-Wall Street politician will emerge on the Middle Right who will alienate the Libertarian-leaners, but draw in the anti-immigration, anti-free trade (mostly white) Democrats. Basically, a genial, white conservative with a humble background who can win over the genial, white liberals in Ohio, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

    The political elites are on constant watch for such a person.

    They will use drones against him. He will be proclaimed a domestic terrorist.

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  26. "Their naturally rickety coalition of fringe groups would tend to turn on each other"

    That is what I think will happen, after the evil American working class is defeated for good (Anti-Marxism), the groups will turn on each other just like what happened in the French Revolution.

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  27. Steve, what are your thoughts on the Canada Mexico brawl? Run differential rule or a racial gang fight?

    So funny to see Canadians fighting Mexicans. I thought Canadians were so much better than us.

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  28. Ex Submarine Officer3/9/13, 9:17 PM

    My prediction is that at some point a populist, protectionist, anti-Wall Street politician will emerge on the Middle Right who will alienate the Libertarian-leaners, but draw in the anti-immigration, anti-free trade (mostly white) Democrats. Basically, a genial, white conservative with a humble background who can win over the genial, white liberals in Ohio, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

    IMO, Palin was suspected of aggravated populism, which is why the media went to so bezerk on her.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of hers and I don't think she really fit the description above, but even her faint populist strain sent TPTB into hysterical overreaction mode.

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  29. I suppose there's something mildly comforting in the maladaptive hypocrisy of those white dupes and traitors who inhabit the WaPost website. To behold their tireless search for "racism" is to watch dung beetles wondering where that smell came from.

    The entire modern left is premised and dependent on racism. The money of rich racist jews and the votes of poor racist blacks...both racially antagonistic to whites. If elections were limited to those without racial hostility, the democrats would be nothing more than a nice quiet party of Midwestern swedes...and the Washington Post would be a M4M missed connections.

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  30. Diversity has depended on liberals being able to insulate and conservatives and the middle class being able to flee via suburban and exurban sprawl.

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  31. "It seems that the contact with African Americans had politically mobilized whites in Chicago, similar to how Southern whites were mobilized in the 1930s. "

    And why is that, Mr. Investigator?

    Skin color?

    Hell, no. Who give a damn if a person's phenotype is different from his own?

    But behavior? Ah, yes, behavior. People DO care about behavior.

    What do most people know about the behavior of blacks that would make them change their voting patterns?

    About tons of immigrants? From Mexico?

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  32. "If George Zimmerman is found innocent and, say, Twitter doesn't go down that day, will the Democrats be able to maintain control of that narrative?"

    If George Zimmerman is NOT found innocent, blacks will remember the day as the day they threw all of it away, all of it.

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  33. "IMO, Palin was suspected of aggravated populism, which is why the media went to so bezerk on her."

    Nah. The media went bezerk on Palin because she was in fact horrible in a national media role and said very dumb sounding things. The media skewered her because she was a conservative who said dumb things.

    The media would have a harder time skewering a worldly smart populist conservative. He would need humble origins a la Bill Clinton, a folksy manner, a strong professed belief in God without coming off as a religious freak. He would need to say that he likes immigrants but he cares first, as a matter of principle, about America and Americans who are having a hard time adapting to the changes of the 21st century, changes which have put so many hard working Americans out of work.

    He would need to say that we need to focus on the economic security of all Americans, and that while immigration has always been a culturally important aspect of America, enriching our culture with the experiences and extraordinary contributions of other people, America's first priority is to get its own house together. We need to get the unemployment rate back down below 5%. We need to get the labor participation rate back up to its historical norms. Immigration is great, but right now our priority should be in finding jobs for Americans who want to work. It's a hard road for many Americans who want to work right now. The labor participation rate is the lowest it has ever been since the 1930's and continues to grow lower. There is something fundamentally wrong with a system which continues to go backward economically, which continues to deprive jobs from Americans who want to work.

    Globalization is great, immigration is great, but they are luxuries. We are in the worst economic time since the depression; we can't afford those luxuries right now.

    We don't disagree with our political opponents in values, we disagree with them on priorities. The Democrats want to place the concern of immigration on a higher level than the concern of the employment of American workers. Let's face it, when times are tough and it's hard to find a job, a sudden influx of foreign workers makes it even harder for Americans to find a job. I'm not anti-immigration, I think immigration is great -- when the economy can absorb it. It's just that we've absorbed so many immigrants over the past few decades that the economy is now struggling hard to keep up with employment for all Americans. We might need to take a breather on immigration for a number of years just to get back to full employment for Americans. Once we figure out how to get full employment for Americans again, then we can start talking about immigration again.

    (Some anti- Wall Street sentiment, etc.)

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  34. The upward trend of crime rates after 1965 and the downward trend after 1990 is primarily reponsible for the fall and rise of the liberal coalition. This academic experiment shows that it is a fragile state of affairs, which could be disrupted by the wrong sort of immigration or a renewed uptrend in crime.

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  35. "IMO, Palin was suspected of aggravated populism, which is why the media went to so bezerk on her.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of hers and I don't think she really fit the description above, but even her faint populist strain sent TPTB into hysterical overreaction mode."

    I agree. I'm not a Palin fan either, but the way the media went after her, the way the media and certain chattering classes flew into a rage at mention of her name........ way disproportionate.

    "What? This middle class state university grad dares to seek high office? Even that dummy Bush went to Yale!"

    I think it might be possible you could also see a party shift in politicians that may or may not precede a shift in voters' voting patterns.
    Hillary seems to be the front runner for 2016, Julian Castro is being talked up in some circles for 2020 or 2024. As the Dems keep trotting out the first woman, Latino, Asian etc. Presidential nominee, we may reach a point where any white-especially white male politician with Presidential aspirations either joins or defects to the Republicans.

    As the Latino population grows, they won't keep voting for their liberal white "champions". They'll just vote for Latinos to take their place in Congress.

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  36. While on a shoe-string budget starting up a multiuser instant messaging system in the mid 80's, I was located on University Avenue not far from Balboa Park, where the rent was cheap and boiler rooms had T1 lines for telemarketing left around. Blood was in the streets, literally, so often that the San Diego police eventually had to move a mobile home and plop it down right in the street with flood lights to let people know it was time to stop stabbing people.

    When I was harrassed by guys wanting money, I offered them something better: Free transportation to downtown La Jolla, where I used to live and became so disgusted with the likes of Milkin that I almost preferred blood in the streets.

    Unfortunately, what I've found now that I've moved away from California is the Gifts from God who gave California its wondrous policies have decided to relocate to places that have not yet benefitted from their Gifts.

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  37. So, to summarize:

    Non-blacks who are in close contact with blacks tend to vote for whomever blacks do not favor.

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  38. It's always amusing to read that so-called social "scientists" conduct elaborate 'experiments' and other pseudo-scientific fripperies, with much self-importance and earnestness, just to state the stark staring obvious.
    - Well at least it's better than the downright bullpoopy spewings than more than a few 'theorizing' (ie pontificating) economists when they give their (worthless but popmpous and self important) imprimature to obvious black and white falsehoods, such as mass uncontrolled immigration of low productivity third worlders 'boosts productivity'.

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  39. "Non-blacks who are in close contact with blacks tend to vote for whomever blacks do not favor."

    Yeah, like Obama!

    (Oh; wait...)

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  40. The Democrat party's share of of the white vote will keep going down over time, however the Democrats are importing non-white voters a rate of a million a year. If the GOP wins another national election it will be by way of the Great Lakes/Midwest states. The GOP needs more Pat Buchanan and less Jorge Bush.

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  41. "My prediction is that at some point a populist, protectionist, anti-Wall Street politician will emerge on the Middle Right who will alienate the Libertarian-leaners, but draw in the anti-immigration, anti-free trade (mostly white) Democrats. Basically, a genial, white conservative with a humble background who can win over the genial, white liberals in Ohio, Wisconsin and Minnesota. "

    I'll vote for him. I don't think the party backers who write the checks would go for that too.

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  42. Yes, I would vote against the Democrats after 2016. The GOP will probably go through one more cycle of the "we don't see race" silliness, and lose.

    At that point, with Whites falling as a percentage percentage of the population and it being obvious that the old Jack Kemp/John McCain crap won't work, something more interesting will emerge.

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  43. Yeah, but Southern whites were practically Communists in those days.


    Like followers of Huey Long? There's a bit of truth to that. Even now, how many libertarians does one in the South, really? The few that I've met are all yankee transplants.

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  44. steve sailer wrote:
    "But, of course, a huge advantage the Democrats have is holding the bullhorn that spews the Narrative. "

    No, the upper class has a huge advantage in that they have molded and evolved the subcultures of both GOP/conservatives and Dem/liberals so that both of them serve the interests of the upper class, but in different ways:

    1) the GOP subculture ousts any members who do not advocate low taxes & degrading of workers rights/benefits and any who do not advocate free reign for investors, among other things, such as regressive taxation, animus for universal healthcare, etc. All these positions/stances favor the interest of the upper class and put the workers at a disadvantage. But you cannot be part of the GOP tribe unless you take these positions.

    2) the Dem subculture ousts any members who do not advocate immigrant/minority idolization, female rights/advantage, affirmative action, mass immigration, anti-white/race-guilt, race spoils schemes, etc.

    Both the GOP and Dem subcultures have been domesticated by the upper class via decades of propaganda, typically facilitated decades ago via grants from large nonprofit foundations funded by the plutocrats.

    The media/academia/entertaiment industries have been co-opted by the Dem/liberal subculture, and the financial/commercial/business subculture has been co-opted by the GOP/conservative subculture.

    There exists a youth political subculture known as libertarianism that selects elements from both camps. Unfortunately, the libertarian subculture has been molded to as to select most of the upper-class-friendly elements from each of Dem & GOP subcultures.


    The above statements are general statements, and of course there are always exceptions.

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  45. "So funny to see Canadians fighting Mexicans. I thought Canadians were so much better than us."

    Perhaps... but when it comes to our national sport, we have a long tradition of the bench-clearing brawl, something that our baseball players have apparently adopted too!

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  46. "Who give a damn if a person's phenotype is different from his own"

    Those whose phenotypes get passed on care.

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  47. "Uh, Steve, there are only three states with a lot of Asians, and one is Hawaii."



    Uh, not true. More than states have higher than average numbers of Asians. But even if it were true, Steve's original statement would still be true.

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  48. Eventaully, Hispanics will not matter, in this decade its hard to put the preassure on politicans but if we ever get an e-verify we can get rid of at least anotehr 2 to 3 million, the Mexican government is behind why we have to put up with their people, making 2 to 6 per hr isn't poor compared to the world but Mexico has been screaming, a movement to the left in Mexico pushing wages to 4 to 6 per hr will get rid of our problems and it will pushe up wages here. It hard to organized in Mexico but who knows. Latins are poorer and like movements to the left more and unions.

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  49. Prof. Woland3/10/13, 8:57 AM

    White Liberals will finally "get it" when their pet projects are finally eliminated to accommodate the growing financial strains of the black and brown undertow. Due to high taxes and borrowing, liberals can still get funding for schools, the environment, AA / Gov jobs for white women, planned parenthood, etc., but once those programs go the way of the space program, they will be worse off as Democrats than they would be as Republicans.

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  50. The media skewered her because she was a conservative who said dumb things.


    If she were a Democrat none of the media would notice.

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  51. The Democrats will then spend some time in the wilderness and realize that they will have to win over the Latin-- I mean the secular, Big Business, pro-immigration, pro-free trade, CNBC watching "conservatives".

    I'd be voting for the Democrats at that point, but I think the rest of you would be happier with the GOP.


    Dirk:

    You are pro-Big Business, pro-immigration, pro-free trade, and a CNBC fan?

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  52. This is brilliant, Dirk. Can we have permission to use it? American nationalists take note...

    The media would have a harder time skewering a worldly smart populist conservative. He would need humble origins a la Bill Clinton, a folksy manner, a strong professed belief in God without coming off as a religious freak. He would need to say that he likes immigrants but he cares first, as a matter of principle, about America and Americans who are having a hard time adapting to the changes of the 21st century, changes which have put so many hard working Americans out of work.

    He would need to say that we need to focus on the economic security of all Americans, and that while immigration has always been a culturally important aspect of America, enriching our culture with the experiences and extraordinary contributions of other people, America's first priority is to get its own house together. We need to get the unemployment rate back down below 5%. We need to get the labor participation rate back up to its historical norms. Immigration is great, but right now our priority should be in finding jobs for Americans who want to work. It's a hard road for many Americans who want to work right now. The labor participation rate is the lowest it has ever been since the 1930's and continues to grow lower. There is something fundamentally wrong with a system which continues to go backward economically, which continues to deprive jobs from Americans who want to work.

    Globalization is great, immigration is great, but they are luxuries. We are in the worst economic time since the depression; we can't afford those luxuries right now.

    We don't disagree with our political opponents in values, we disagree with them on priorities. The Democrats want to place the concern of immigration on a higher level than the concern of the employment of American workers. Let's face it, when times are tough and it's hard to find a job, a sudden influx of foreign workers makes it even harder for Americans to find a job. I'm not anti-immigration, I think immigration is great -- when the economy can absorb it. It's just that we've absorbed so many immigrants over the past few decades that the economy is now struggling hard to keep up with employment for all Americans. We might need to take a breather on immigration for a number of years just to get back to full employment for Americans. Once we figure out how to get full employment for Americans again, then we can start talking about immigration again.

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  53. The quality of my life, for me and my family, improved immediately," said Romeo Trinidad, a Filipino immigrant who has worked as a housekeeper at the Hilton in Long Beach for a dozen years.

    With his salary bumped from $10.81 an hour to $13, Trinidad said he was now able to finance a three-week trip back to the Philippines to see his parents, whom he hasn't seen since 2010.

    "This trip is a bit of a celebration," he said. "The campaign worked. We won."

    The Long Beach hotel worker living wage is the third such measure in the state; Emeryville and Los Angeles also passed hotel wage laws backed by unions in recent years. It will raise the hourly pay for the average Long Beach hotel employee by more than 40%, or about $4 per hour. Sixty-three percent of Long Beach voters approved
    This is why Obama did so well with Hispanics and Asians not all Asians are high income. The Dems are pushing higher wagess thru city or county governments but the Dems would help wages better for native or legal immirgants by slowing down immmirgation there are a surplus of low skilled workers.

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  54. Steve there was a sales tax hike on the ballot in La, the mexican areas voted for it while the whiter areas voted against it, the Republicans most be doing something to not get more whites against tax increases to help minorities.

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  55. >a populist, protectionist, anti-Wall Street politician will emerge on the Middle Right who will alienate the Libertarian-leaners, but draw in the anti-immigration, anti-free trade (mostly white) Democrats.<

    >>The political elites are on constant watch for such a person.[...] He will be proclaimed a domestic terrorist.<<

    Or a "dadgum anti-American cheese-eating surrender communist."

    Desert Lady is correct. Followers of Punch (the "right") and Judy (the "left") have been brainwashed by elite finance-capitalists (and their ubiquitous paid mouthpieces) for a long time now.

    Libertarian-leaners need to ask themselves - in the deepest privacy of their own minds - if their interests and those of their posterity really are represented by such people as Alissa Rosenbaum, Timothy Geithner, Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman, Bernard Madoff, Ludwig von Mises, Lawrence Summers, Michael Milken, George Reisman, Alan Greenspan, Kenneth Lay, Robert Ringer, Rupert Murdock, Jim Cramer, Thomas Friedman et al.

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  56. Like followers of Huey Long? There's a bit of truth to that. Even now, how many libertarians does one in the South, really?

    Meant to say: how many libertarians does one see in the South, really?

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  57. People speak of WHITE FLIGHT but we should also speak of BLACK ATTACK.

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  58. I have a friend who rented out to Section 8 blacks three times in a row, for completely altruistic reasons. He didn't have to rent Section 8. Each time, they had to be evicted for a assorted medley of insanity, each outcome more horrible than the preceding one.
    Anyway, my friend had been a longtime democrat, now devoted republican. He says he'll never rent to blacks again, regardless of the circumstances. It's pretty easy to do without breaking any laws. All you have to do is pull up their credit report. Game over.

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  59. "Like followers of Huey Long? There's a bit of truth to that. Even now, how many libertarians does one in the South, really? The few that I've met are all yankee transplants."

    The few southern "libertarians" I have met are 20-27 year old college-educated guys who crave philosophical justification for smoking pot. They are usually fairly conservative otherwise, but do not realize it. I suspect they will eventually lose their libertarian streak.

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  60. "My prediction is that at some point a populist, protectionist, anti-Wall Street politician will emerge on the Middle Right who will alienate the Libertarian-leaners, but draw in the anti-immigration, anti-free trade (mostly white) Democrats. Basically, a genial, white conservative with a humble background who can win over the genial, white liberals in Ohio, Wisconsin and Minnesota. "

    Agreed- you all might surprised how many people already adhere to that mindset. I am currently working at an "at risk" middle school. Most of the teachers, who are nice white lady Democrats, profess those sentiments. They have compassion for their students, but are very realistic about the situation. I have heard water cooler talk that sounds an awful lot like the iSteve comment section.

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  61. 1) the GOP subculture ousts any members who do not advocate low taxes & degrading of workers rights/benefits and any who do not advocate free reign for investors, among other things, such as regressive taxation, animus for universal healthcare, etc. All these positions/stances favor the interest of the upper class and put the workers at a disadvantage. But you cannot be part of the GOP tribe unless you take these positions.


    To the GOP subculture you must add the worship of Israel along with support for near constant intervention around the world. Not abiding by that will get you ousted or blackballed over and above the items you listed. Just look at Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. Paul wasn't hated for wanting to audit the fed, and Buchanan wasn't reviled for wanting to curb immigration and cut back on free trade. They were detested because of their perceived lack of enthusiastic support for Israel and empire.

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  62. Wasps in the past acknowledged their power and tried to do right by it when their abuses were called.

    But how can Jews ever do right by their power when they don't even admit they got the power and blacklist anyone who says Jews are powerful?

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  63. "Black folks don't like their jobs stolen by wetbacks either."

    But most blacks are not competing for cotton picking or factory jobs anymore. They are looking for government jobs and more programs where blacks are favored.
    To get them goodies, it helps for Democrats to win, and more browns means more Democratic wins, which means more big gov goodies for blacks.

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  64. "Uh, not true. More than states have higher than average numbers of Asians. But even if it were true, Steve's original statement would still be true."

    Yes, roughly half the states have "higher than average" numbers of Asians, and roughly half the states have "lower than average" numbers of Asians, that's kind of how averages work, Sport.

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  65. Ann Coulter pretty much nailed it on the head when she said libertarians are pussies who are much more concerned with sucking up to liberals so they won't be called mean names than realising that "420 erryday" is going to be an issue.

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  66. The media skewered her because she was a conservative who said dumb things.


    If she were a Democrat none of the media would notice.


    You betcha! How many non-dumb things has Maxine Waters ever said? You can probably count them on the (remaining) fingers of both hands of a butcher.

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  67. The American Right should design their own t-shirts.

    You can at CustomInk.com

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rtDNC9E2ulo/UTztHqQn-cI/AAAAAAAAANE/teZfm2UTjmU/s1600/hogocaust.jpg

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  68. Well, Steve is correct the Republicans are not connecting, whites even in California went against a sales tax for the city of La while Hispanics supported it. So, Republicans even with the Religous right should have won about 50 to 55 percent of the white vote instead of just 45 percent since whites in Liberal Cal are still not that liberal on rising taxes.






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  69. About 42 percent of Camden’s population lives below the poverty line, with the average income hovering around $26,000 a year. That is in stark contrast to the rest of New Jersey, where the average household income is $71,000 a year — the third highest in the nation. Well, this shows not blacks are worst than latinos as a whole since Camden has poverty higher than El Paso or Santa Ana even worst than Imperial Valley or Brownsville or Laredo.

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  70. Jody said: "the only time liberals pretend to like mestizos, africans, arabs, and various other vibrant groups is when it's election time. during that time period they love to crow about them.

    "at any other time, liberals spend a lot of effort to avoid interacting with their "fellow" democrats. i regurlarly talk to my liberal friends on the web and they routinely slur various vibrant groups which they have to deal with in whatever city they live in.

    "sometimes i chide them during these moments of truth. "That's no way to talk about your fellow Democrats. Those are the guys helping you achieve all your political goals. Walk up to a random black guy tomorrow, and thank him. Buy a random mexican guy lunch. Stop in this weekend at the closest korean church or islamic mosque, and thank the people there for permanently making the US a 1 party nation and helping you smash those racist republican losers like me."

    "in private chats with my liberal friends, especially liberals in california, they love to bash mexicans. they hate what they're doing to the state, hate dealing with them in the neighborhood, hate dealing with them on the highway, hate dealing with them at the beach, hate how they're ruining their towns and real estate.

    "when i point out their hypocrisy they fall silent for a moment. but only a moment. they then continue on. it's like in that moment their brain encounters the intellectual contradiction, ponders it for a moment, then discards it."

    Ditto to every single sentence of every single paragraph.

    I am especially taken by your last sentence. So true. I usually try to lead them to the blank slate theory they were fed in their youth, challenge them about it (nicely) with some hbd discussion to which they mostly nod their heads in agreement, and then if there's no movement in the area of policy...and there usually isn't...I call them "anti-science Creationists," which stuns them, and most delightfully, offends them. I do believe the offense taken works because they know it's true.

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  71. "The few southern 'libertarians' I have met are 20-27 year old college-educated guys who crave philosophical justification for smoking pot."

    Most of the libertarians I've met in my life seem overwhemingly concerned with pot and legalization of all drugs, and most, although certainly not all, are heavy pot users even in their Fifties.

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  72. "Non-blacks who are in close contact with blacks tend to vote for whomever blacks do not favor."
    __________________________
    Truth: Yeah, like Obama!

    (Oh; wait...)
    _____________________________

    Truth, I didn't write the first comment, but I think the person is right. How, you say? Well, there are a lot of voters who are "not in close contact with blacks" that's how.

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  73. I instinctively feel this to be true, but it's a little worrying that every single "multiculturalism-promoting" op-ed in The New York Times, Newsweek, The Guardian (UK), and other mainstream liberal publications seems to be written by white authors (I checked). Either a large majority of white columnists and pundits are lying on a massive scale, or they're indeed genuinely happy that their own race is rapidly disappearing. One of the two. I haven't really seen any white editoralists express any hint of concern about these demographic changes, only joy and optimism. So what gives?

    In 2010 I watched an interview with the director of the US Census Bureau, an old white guy, and he seemed gleeful about the coming "diversity" and "meshing of cultures" in the US.

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  74. "But, of course, a huge advantage the Democrats have is holding the bullhorn that spews the Narrative."

    Conservatives are defenseless against the narrative because they agree with the PREMISE of the liberals:

    1. 'Racism' is the greatest evil.

    2. MLK was a god-man who all should worship.

    3. Black problems are 99% due to past discrimination.

    4. US is all about equality and diversity.

    5. White privilege must be ended.

    Conservatives may disagree with libs on the extent of each issue, but they agree on the basic tenets of each issue.
    So, at most, cons can only play defense.
    "No, we are not racist and we try hard to increase equality and diversity too."

    So, it's not just the narrative but the premise.

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  75. "dirk said...

    Nah. The media went bezerk on Palin because she was in fact horrible in a national media role and said very dumb sounding things. The media skewered her because she was a conservative who said dumb things."

    Nonsense. Joe Biden is at least as stupid as Sarah Palin, and says things every bit as stupid. He gets a pass.

    I dispute the premise that conservatives need to find a genial frontman, in the style of Ronald Reagan. Things are starting to get bad in this country - a lot of people may not be looking for a smiley-face, but rather somebody who is dour and angry, and shows it.

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  76. I guess this explains why whites in southern Africa were/are so racist

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  77. "Truth said...

    "Non-blacks who are in close contact with blacks tend to vote for whomever blacks do not favor."

    Yeah, like Obama!

    (Oh; wait...)"

    The operative term was "in close contact". It is only because the US is a largely segregated country that so many whites voted for Obama. If white liberals had close contact with blacks as they really are - not the fantasy blacks they see on TV - they would be far less inclined to vote for one.

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  78. Thing is, GENDER matters. Think of all those Sandra Flukes. More threatening/dangerous non-Whites? Even better, its Eat-Pray-Love right there at home. Plus, lots of personal violence around makes things "edgy" and easier to "spot the Alpha" which is the principal occupation of women age 16-46.

    Contraception, anonymous urban living, rising female income and independence, guarantee as Steve and Roissy have pointed out, unmarried White women (which is most ages 20-40) to support big government and anti-White guy policies. If government discriminates against White guys, those who flourish MUST be Alpha! Problem solved! [Spot the Alpha.]

    Plus, most unmarried White women HATE HATE HATE White beta males, who have in their minds unwholesome aspirations (towards them, they'd prefer Alpha only) and serve as competition at NPR, the Nation, WaPo, education, government, NGOs, etc.

    I don't see that changing, so I fully expect that Dems will have a massive vote advantage. HOWEVEVER, they are critically vulnerable to being made to play by their own rules: making them send their kids to "vibrant" schools, the kind of stuff that ACT UP! and other goon squads did -- right up but not OVER the edge of legality and highly aggressive.

    We are basically talking about Murray's SuperZips who are about, he estimates 5,000 families. Pressuring and making life miserable for them to force reform but not revolution is doable.

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  79. The media skewered [Palin] because she was a conservative who said dumb things.

    I think you underestimate the media's ability to make anyone they don't like look stupid. Palin may not be a genius, but the main quote liberals use to prove her stupidity is one she didn't even say -- Tiny Fey said it while impersonating her on SNL. Who's stupider, Palin or the people who can't tell her from an impersonation?

    Again, she's no genius, and I'd prefer someone more likely to have an original, non-neocon idea, and women probably should be involved in politics anyway. But if you think being smart will protect you from the MSM's usual "Republicans are stupid, greedy, and racist" attack, you're just naive.

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  80. It's true. Karl Rove is an evil genius.

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  81. @William
    Shorter summary: "To know-know-know them... Is to hate-hate-hate them..."

    @Gwern
    I thought of Putnam, too, though I'd summarize the two differently. As I understand, Putnam suggests that all ethnic diversity diminishes social cohesion; Enos suggests that certain kids of ethnic diversity generate an active backlash, while others do not. Intersection of the two sets: you do not want to live around NAMs.

    But I agree that it's interesting to see the seeds of heresy leaking out of Harvard Gov lately.

    -SWPH

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  82. Steve, here's an article right up your alley:
    Suburbs Secede From Atlanta
    http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/suburbs-secede-from-atlanta/

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  83. 1) the GOP subculture ousts any members who do not advocate low taxes & degrading of workers rights/benefits and any who do not advocate free reign for investors, among other things, such as regressive taxation, animus for universal healthcare, etc. All these positions/stances favor the interest of the upper class and put the workers at a disadvantage. But you cannot be part of the GOP tribe unless you take these positions.

    You don't get ousted for that. You listed everything but the obvious. Hint: it's the issue that neocons have used to drive out paleocons and libertarians.

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  84. By the time the demographics shift so much that even the SWPL libs in Vermont are race realists, the white population for the nation overall will be so low that it will be game over for the GOP.

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  85. I'm no fan of Karl Rove, but I say let's cut him some slack at least in this sense.

    Rummy said, 'we go to war with the weapons we have'...
    and it just so happens that
    Rovey can play with the weapons he has. Political figures must pander to and play with forces of power, of influence and money.

    If HBD folks owned Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and etc, people like Rove would be sucking up the HBDers. But it just so happens that big money and big influence are with Jews, gays, Wall Street, and etc.
    Rove has to play to that. If he plays to HBD, how much money and influence can HBD furnish for Rove?
    Not much.

    Political figures are whores, and whores go with the biggest bidder.

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  86. Anon:

    "3. Black problems are 99% due to past discrimination"

    So you're accusing blacks of being 1% to blame for their suffering?

    RACIST!

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  87. "Bottom line, the last person to give a damn about jobs stolen from poor black folks was a black dyke from Texas, Barbara Jordan."

    Had she lived, she'd be talking just as loudly sayin' how "insensitive it is to call 'em 'aliens" for "after all, they pay taxes too."

    Either that or she'd have had to become a conservative because Dems won't let democrats be "unprogessive" in talk or thought.
    _______________________________

    "Since then, all the other hi-yalla fools like Obama, with his rich white granny and high-rise apartment, just want to hang out with the rich white kids."
    ________________________________

    Obama didn't have a "rich white granny" and the "high-rise apartment" to which you refer was a small apartment in a multi-story, nothing special apartment bldg.

    That said, I can't stand Obama, which is irrelevant, I know.

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  88. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZrBsyhcf4c

    My head hurts. (And her butt hurts.)

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  89. "The media skewered her because she was a conservative who said dumb things."


    "If she were a Democrat none of the media would notice."

    You betcha! How many non-dumb things has Maxine Waters ever said? You can probably count them on the (remaining) fingers of both hands of a butcher.
    ______________________________

    How about Ca Sen. Babs Boxer? Everyone on Capitol Hill talks about how dull she is.

    Then, there's newly elected Elizabeth Warren of MA, a different kind of dumb.

    Sheila Jackson Lee? Gawd.

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  90. "in private chats with my liberal friends, especially liberals in california, they love to bash mexicans. they hate what they're doing to the state, hate dealing with them in the neighborhood, hate dealing with them on the highway, hate dealing with them at the beach, hate how they're ruining their towns and real estate.
    Well. in Cal Republicans have not had a clean record either. My mother mention in the early 1980's there was a dity cab with a Mexican driver versus one with a white driver where the cab was clean. The City of Anaheim run by Republicans at the time set it up where the Mexican cab had the right of way for a passenger over the white cab driver. Its stupid things like this by the city of Anaheim which is still run by the white Republicans in the Hills that caused Anaheim to be a Mexican town.









































































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  91. Sailer, what fallout do you think will hit the Democrats from the structural decline of cities out west? Their party's business model is reliant on mismanaged, wasteful urban machines which seem to be sputtering out everywhere but Colorado. Quite the opposite of the "ideopolis" creative-class sales pitch which only applies to really old tourism-addled locales anyway.

    There would be no single nationwide rule but in Calif. the productive citizenry seem to be filling up the unincorporated exurbs. Here in the northeastern quadrant of the Sacramento area a ballot measure to incorporate last Nov. went down in flames, as per expectation. I noticed that Romney lost every municipality in the L.A. vicinity except Tustin yet still narrowly won Orange County.

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  92. I instinctively feel this to be true, but it's a little worrying that every single "multiculturalism-promoting" op-ed in The New York Times, Newsweek, The Guardian (UK), and other mainstream liberal publications seems to be written by white authors (I checked). Either a large majority of white columnists and pundits are lying on a massive scale, or they're indeed genuinely happy that their own race is rapidly disappearing. One of the two. I haven't really seen any white editoralists express any hint of concern about these demographic changes, only joy and optimism. So what gives?

    If you are relatively new to this blog, I suggest you read an iSteve blast from the past that attempts to answer your question regarding the makeup of these journalists.

    The Atlantic Monthly has put together a list it calls The Atlantic 50, which it describes as "the columnists and bloggers and broadcast pundits who shape the national debates:"

    Click here to get Steve's take on these 50 journos.

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  93. You can count on Steve Sailer to imlpy that East Asians are just like white people. Reminds me of those special episodes of sitcoms in the 70s about black people. The reality is different.

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  94. Prof. Woland3/10/13, 9:02 PM

    The hierarchy of the left is a mirror image of the right. Like an inverted triangle, the needier and poorer the group, the more loyal the support. It is like a giant booby prize where benefits go to the loser and the bigger the loser, the bigger the prize.
    After blue collar men, white women will be the next out group to be excised from the Democratic party. Blacks and browns will always be hungrier and more desperate than WW and henceforth, have the sharper elbows. The logical gap to drive the panzers through is between WW and brown people. Cut funding and you will get minorities and women to fight amongst themselves . After that it will be a mopping up operation.

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  95. "Either a large majority of white columnists and pundits are lying on a massive scale, or they're indeed genuinely happy that their own race is rapidly disappearing. One of the two. I haven't really seen any white editoralists express any hint of concern about these demographic changes, only joy and optimism. So what gives?"

    You are right, some lie. Others though are ignorant. Insulation, good power compass, and lack of mathematical ability explain this. You need verbal ability to be a columnist or pundit. Mathematical ability is probably a hindrance, if anything, to making money at columns or punditry. The arguments you will make, while sound, will go over the heads of most of your audience.

    So I think that the punditry aren't able to think far enough ahead to where the nation is going. They aren't able to piece together history and what has happened in other countries to figure out where their own country is heading, or get a sense what that reality is like.

    They have a good power compass - they know who pays their wages and they don't insult TPTB. They shy away from race discussions because everyone else does in the media, and they've seen what happens to those who buck the system.

    And lastly, they are insulated. Non-whites they meet will be employed. They aren't meeting Trayvon Martin, they are meeting Morgan Freeman types. Or those that are employed in service roles and appropriately servile. Because that's their only experience they generalise. Those bigoted rednecks obviously are racist just because.

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  96. Liberalism is winning via capitalist competition.

    In the world of dog-eat-dog competition, companies try to attract the very best, just like sports teams compete to recruit the best athletes.

    And there are lots of talented gays. Also, gay network is more powerful.
    In a hetero relationship, the man ends up playing worker-role and woman plays the supportive wife/mother role. But two gays in love can work together full-time at the same company. Since they don't have kids, both can play to win and work together.

    But it's not just about talented gays. Once our culture has become pro-gay, talented people of all stripes--and many of them happen to be Jewish or liberal--wanna work for 'gay-friendly' places and avoid 'anti-gay' places. So, the company that is pro-gay attracts top talent of all stripes. They beat out other companies with lesser talent.
    Since 'gay-friendly' companies rake in mucho profit, they donate handsomely to pro-gay politicians, institutions, and causes.

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  97. Ideological gays using their wealth, political clout, and free time to structurally advantage themselves at the expense of boring old man/woman/kids households is not "capitalist competition." Of course since you write on "gay network" cronyism in the following sentences, the whole comment was probably meant in the spirit of parody

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  98. That non-sequitur mal-formatted comment re: Anaheim reminded me of something: After Somali cabbies are inevitably replaced by self-driving cars how will black movie stars complain about not being able to flag a taxi? This needs to be addressed

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  99. principles may drive some people into politics but once they get in, they realize you gotta win or you're nothing. in time, winning becomes the main ideology, and everyone leans toward those with most power, wealth, and influence.

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  100. principles may drive some people into politics but once they get in, they realize you gotta win or you're nothing. in time, winning becomes the main ideology, and everyone leans toward those with most power, wealth, and influence.

    same thing with movies. guys like lucas entered cinema with dreams of being like bergman, kurosawa, kubrick, and godard. but once they struck it rich with star wars and the like, the only game that counted was winning the box office game.

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  101. "But most blacks are not competing for cotton picking or factory jobs anymore. They are looking for government jobs and more programs where blacks are favored.
    To get them goodies, it helps for Democrats to win, and more browns means more Democratic wins, which means more big gov goodies for blacks. " - The hispanics want those. there are simply too many consumers and too few producers for them not to compete.

    "3. Black problems are 99% due to past discrimination. " - to the re-education camp with you comrade.

    "Liberalism is winning via capitalist competition.

    In the world of dog-eat-dog competition, companies try to attract the very best, just like sports teams compete to recruit the best athletes.

    And there are lots of talented gays. Also, gay network is more powerful.
    In a hetero relationship, the man ends up playing worker-role and woman plays the supportive wife/mother role. But two gays in love can work together full-time at the same company. Since they don't have kids, both can play to win and work together.

    But it's not just about talented gays. Once our culture has become pro-gay, talented people of all stripes--and many of them happen to be Jewish or liberal--wanna work for 'gay-friendly' places and avoid 'anti-gay' places. So, the company that is pro-gay attracts top talent of all stripes. They beat out other companies with lesser talent.
    Since 'gay-friendly' companies rake in mucho profit, they donate handsomely to pro-gay politicians, institutions, and causes. " - So then the question becomes why don't they already run things?

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  102. The Boston-NYC-DC corridor that dominates punditry is simply a generation or two behind much of the rest of the country in exposure to the effects of illegal immigration.

    Note that this experiment only tested one effect of immigration: the physical presence or an increase in the physical presence of non-whites. The Latino subway riders in the experiment were just peaceably riding the subway. They weren't committing crime or disturbing the peace, so they weren't testing any of the other effects of immigration. They were simply testing the effect of the physical presence of non-whites.

    The fact that the mere physical presence of non-whites influenced white liberals' attitudes to shift in an anti-immigration direction reveals how shallow white liberal support for diversity, immigration, multiculturalism, etc. is. At root there is a visceral aversion to non-whites that isn't suppressed so much as just avoided by avoiding non-whites.

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  103. Why don't the HBDers own Wall Street, Silicon Valley and Hollywood?

    If those wily Jews can get in there, it should be no problem for white guys on the internet who still remember their ACT scores from 1977. (36 on all sections!!!)

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  104. >Why don't the HBDers own Wall Street, Silicon Valley and Hollywood?<

    Are they worth owning?

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  105. In response to:

    "IMO, Palin was suspected of aggravated populism, which is why the media went to so bezerk on her."

    Dirk wrote:

    "Nah. The media went bezerk on Palin because she was in fact horrible in a national media role and said very dumb sounding things. The media skewered her because she was a conservative who said dumb things."

    People won't believe this because the establishment left/mainstream media was so successful in branding Palin as an embarrassing lightweight Alaska hillbilly, but back when Palin was first named as McCain's running mate, the establishment left and mainstream media had an immediate freak out/panic attack over her because they viewed her as a major threat.

    Really.

    And they immediately sent hundreds of reporters to Alaska to execute the most ambitious (and panicked) scorched Earth effort in recent memory in order to destroy her and to ensure that the aged and boring McCain couldn't invigorate his listless campaign.

    The members of Ezra Klein's "Journolist" -- many of the media's most esteemed writers were among them -- plotted strategies to take Palin down.

    And it should be noted that most of Palin's big embarrassing on-camera moments -- supposedly admitting to Katie Couric that she never read anything, not knowing what the "Bush Doctrine" was, etc. -- came when she was ambushed by hostile interviewers who were armed with trap questions designed to catch Palin in devastating "gotcha" moments.

    But most were also heavily edited. In the infamous Katie Couric interview, most of her answer to the "what do you read" question was edited out, so that it looked like she couldn't answer the question because she didn't read.

    Same goes for Charlie Gibson's "Bush Doctrine" question. She gave Gibson a reasonable answer, but most of it never made it to air.

    The unedited answers were made available in the online transcripts of those interviews.

    Now, Palin's unfortunate "pallin' around with terrorists" remark was entirely of her doing. That one really seemed to be the nail in the coffin.

    Then again, back in Chicago, Obama did, in fact, associate with former Weather Underground members Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn and Mike Klonsky. And once upon a time, those people really did set off bombs and blow stuff/people up.

    Contrast Palin's inflammatory "pallin' around" statement with the statement Vice President Joe Biden made on the campaign trail this past Fall when he told a predominantly black audience in Virginia that Mitt Romney was "goin' put y'all back in chains."

    The mainstream media didn't raise an eyebrow over Biden's comments. So again, how a public figure comes off in the media depends largely on how the media decides to portray the public figure.

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  106. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hLP7USpJYMA

    No one speaks for 'white trash'. And it aint just a micro-aggression either.

    Btw, 'micro-aggression' is a perfect word to describe all the non-criminal aggression caused by blacks.

    We generally focus on black crime, but a lot of black aggression is within the law.
    Blacks acting loud, acting rude, staring at people with hate, playing loud music, cussing non-stop, hitting their kids in public, talking openly and rudely about other people, etc.

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  107. "The mainstream media"

    Time to call it the Jewish media.

    Calling the big media 'mainstream' is like calling Italian-American organized crime 'all-American'.

    It's the Italian Mafia and the Jewish Media. or mefia.

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  108. We generally focus on black crime, but a lot of black aggression is within the law.
    Blacks acting loud, acting rude, staring at people with hate, playing loud music, cussing non-stop, hitting their kids in public, talking openly and rudely about other people, etc.


    People who believe that blacks are the most socially astute human beings on the planet, take note.

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  109. Drunk Idiot3/11/13, 1:15 AM

    Speaking of the media's immediate reaction to McCain's choice of Sarah Palin, I heard a radio interview with Mark Halperin on Labor Day 2008 that gave the game away (Halperin was the political director for ABC News at the time).

    Palin had just been named as McCain's VP choice and Halperin was asked by the host both what he knew about the obscure Alaska Governor, and what he thought of McCain's choice of her.

    I had a pretty good understanding of how the Washington press corps operated at the time. But Halperin's revealing answer caught me off guard.

    He told his interviewer that McCain had angered most of the Washington media by choosing Palin, and that the media was going to make McCain pay for it.

    What's more, he told the interviewer that the Washington media had informed McCain of which potential VP picks they deemed acceptable, and that McCain had, in turn, agreed to choose from the pool of media-approved candidates. Halperin said that McCain had made enemies with the media by pulling the then unknown and non-vetted Palin on everybody out of his hat.

    He said that McCain had been deeply, deeply irresponsible in choosing Palin, and that the media was going to make him pay for it. He then told the interviewer that ABC News was sending every reporter they had up to Alaska to dig up dirt on Palin and that the rest of the media was doing the same.

    In essence, Halperin said that McCain had an agreement with the media that he was going to lose gracefully to Obama, and that in turn, the media would treat him respectfully.

    By throwing the Palin curve ball into the mix, McCain was saying "screw you" to the media.

    So in return, the media was going to take Palin down hard, and they were going to go out of their way to punish, embarrass and defame McCain -- one of the few Republicans who, up to that point, had been portrayed positively by the media.

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  110. Here was a signal to the Darwinist dittoheads that a mob needed to be formed.

    But, isn't this how Jews--Wieseltier included--usually act against those deemed as the 'enemy'?

    The blame should fall less on 'scientific' arrogance than on Jewish attitudes.
    Was Wieseltier with James Watson when the PC gang jumped on him?

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  111. >how many libertarians does one see in the South, really?<

    I see a lot.

    East Tennessee is a Tea Party hotbed. These types, shading from 20s to 70s (but skewing 20s), all agree on these things: 1. Michelle Bachmann and Joe the Plumber are geniuses and should run the government; 2. There should be no government (no revenuers snooping round the still or the weed garden); 3. Ron Paul is totally wrong on pot ("do as we say, not as we do" Christians) and totally wrong on Israel (how can any decent Christian be AGAINST GOD'S PEOPLE?) but is (was) a better candidate than Hussein-Obongo-Drums (we hate him because he's a communist, not because he's black! We're not racist! [etc., etc.]), so Paul is totally right on everything; and 4. Herman Cain is my kinda black man. 9-9-9!

    Just reporting what I see.

    And this is considered the advanced-thinker electorate. I'm talking about, for example, graduate students from UT Knoxville who cared enough to tout Paul signs and run campus voter drives in 2008. (Some advanced thinkers, but comparatively....)

    More broadly, I believe that the questioner quoted above might view the non-black South as a monolith that traditionally trends Democratic. If so, he or she hasn't been paying attention since about 1970. (Google "Southern Strategy.") To get the flavor of much of the place (tho from an old-hippie slant), read the late Joe Baegaent, particularly "Deer Hunting with Jesus." That book is a minor masterpiece. Every word rings true. For me, it's painful and depressing in a way I'm not sure Yankees could understand. These are my people (God help us).

    Of course, the large metro areas are brimful of the diversity, Flat Earth types, transplants, Twitter'ers, "anti-racist" lunatics, and other carpetbaggers.

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  112. OT:
    Steve,
    I am leery of unsolicited advice, but here I provide some to you:

    Rather than using contextual amazon ads, link to materials you endorse, specific books. And make the links prominent.

    I want a convenient gateway into AMZN via your affiliate code. To a specific product page bc that's how I'm used to entering amazon.

    Some people might rather support your work not by donation but by amazon-redirect.

    Any purchases at amazon not just of the products you've linked result in a commission for the affiliate.

    I never go to amazon directly. I always window in through the affiliate link of someone whom I wish to support, sometimes quietly.

    I think linking to specific products makes it easier, though it doesn't matter.

    Shopping at amazon via isteve is something I intend to do in lieu of donating.

    Karl

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  113. Desert Lady - The media/academia/entertainment industries have been co-opted by the Dem/liberal subculture.

    All true but the point of the media is manipulate the mass of working/middle class stiffs into going along with the elite project. Thats where the bullhorn comes into play. Its crucial.

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  114. Since 'gay-friendly' companies rake in mucho profit, they donate handsomely to pro-gay politicians, institutions, and causes. " - So then the question becomes why don't they already run things?

    Don't they?

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  115. Anon 8:34, there are 2 (TWO) towns inside the Route 495 belt that are majority minority, Chelsea and Brockton. Boston proper is 55% white.

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  116. When will white people just die out already so the rightful brown people can just have everything that the white people created without having to pitch a fit to get it?

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  117. I see a lot.East Tennessee is a Tea Party hotbed.

    I live in East Tennessee and know my share, and it's not a lot. I'll grant that there are certainly more than the rest of the state, but E TN has always run a bit counter to the trend.

    Realistically, though, the South in general has always enjoyed big pork barrel projects and big budgets-hardly a libertarian orientation. This is TVA country, after all. There's also something very secular, and almost aspbergery about libertarians that I just don't see most Southerners warming up to.
    And on top of that, the Lindsey Graham/Haley Barbour kind of thinking still holds sway.

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  118. "If your main complaint about your Asian neighbor is that you have to close the window when her six-year-old daughter starts her violin practice, you are likely to find the Diversity Narrative much more plausible than if your black neighbor holds pit bull fights in the back yard."

    What is interesting to me is the possibility that Asian immigration may cause whites to be more supportive of English-only efforts. American Blacks, of course, speak English, and most white Americans can read at least a few basic words in Spanish, even without having had lessons. Asian languages, though, use completely different scripts (excepting Vietnamese), and are hence totally unintelligible to white Americans who haven't studied them extensively. Some relatives of mine who live in a neighborhood with a lot of Asian immigrants have extremely negative opinions on the practice of providing taxpayer-funded public services in languages other than English. Of course, you blogged about Mandarin-immersion programs, so maybe I have this 100% backwards.

    Additionally, my relatives are always complaining about the smelly food (particularly in the dumpster of the Chinese market nearby, which is much stinkier than your garden-variety supermarket dumpster) and the constant spitting. Still, there's very little crime and not much general obnoxiousness from rambunctious young men, so they tolerate the smells and the spit.

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  119. "how many libertarians does one see in the South, really?"<

    I see a lot.


    You see a lot on Ron Paul fans, but not a lot of libertarians. A lot of the people who support Paul believe (with some justification) that he's a Pat Buchanan type figure. I'd guess that only a negligible percentage of "Ronulans" are on board with the libertarian project. You own description of them seems to confirm that. The Ron Paul types are not evangelical atheists or fanatical one worlders, and those two things are the essence of libertarianism in modern America.

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  120. "Still, there's very little crime and not much general obnoxiousness from rambunctious young men, so they tolerate the smells and the spit."

    Asian males have fathers that keep them in line, as well as being generally disposed to better behavior. Winning combination.

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  121. People won't believe this because the establishment left/mainstream media was so successful in branding Palin as an embarrassing lightweight Alaska hillbilly, but back when Palin was first named as McCain's running mate, the establishment left and mainstream media had an immediate freak out/panic attack over her because they viewed her as a major threat.


    Yes, anyone who thinks the media only attacks idiots is themselves and idiot.

    There are plenty of idiots among the Democrats for them to attack, and in many other places.

    The only conclusion is that they attack and label as idiots those who they perceive as a threat. This is as obvious as the fact that Biden is a bumbler and the media was in the tank for the Mocha Messiah.

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  122. The media accused Republicans using whites against hispanics, what a great idea, Whites tend to have more seniors, so instead of atacking medocare and Social Security, Republicans should be for cutting the younger generation which is more minority. Cutting down on free and reduce lunch programs, aid for higher educuation for minorities, reduce Obamacare where parent's insurance don't subsidized 26 years-who are basically healthy and don't need insurance most of the time.

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  123. You see a lot of Ron Paul fans, but not a lot of libertarians.

    Right. Likewise, in the rural Midwest, none of the Ron Paul fans I know are serious libertarians of the sort you'll find on an urban campus. They think government is too big, but they don't want to shut it all down, with some exceptions like the Fed. They think the drug war is kinda pointless and wasteful, but most aren't interested in drugs for themselves. They're not open borders fanatics, though they'd parrot the Ellis Island line like everyone else. They think we're too involved in foreign wars, but don't want to shut down the military.

    The most you could say is that they have some libertarian leanings -- more so than the average Republican, but much less so than the average 18-year-old who just finished reading Atlas Shrugged.

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  124. The notion that more diversity will turn white liberals into Republicans isn't entirely without merit, but I suspect that a lot of people at the top think they'll always be able to wall themselves off from the mass of blacks and Hispanics. It seems to be working pretty well in California.

    However, the Obama Administration has increasingly been pressing the most ridiculous demands of the race lobby, like the EEOC banning consideration of criminal records for job applicants. How much more absurd will their demands get, and at what point do white liberals start fleeing the Dems? I can see it happening very soon, and I can see it not happening at all.

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  125. People speak of WHITE FLIGHT but we should also speak of BLACK ATTACK

    That's a home run. White flight is a response to Black attack.

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  126. But most blacks are not competing for cotton picking or factory jobs anymore. They are looking for government jobs and more programs where blacks are favored.

    Not for long. More and more government jobs will be set aside for bilingual applicants.

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  127. That the Chinese went up and down in fortune from generation to generation is a strong indication that culture plays a much bigger role than any genetic factor.

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  128. RE: Sarah Palin

    Don't be silly, the media LOVED her.

    As for Mark Halperin's assertion that “McCain had angered most of the Washington media by choosing Palin” – yeah, I'm sure any reporter or editor who was surprised by the choice for VP candidate would have been pissed, but so what? Same would have been true if a Democratic candidate played the surprise game. Journalists who live and die by getting the story get pissed when they don't have a lead on a story as huge as a VP pick.

    The idea that the “Washington media” as a monolithic block was determined to “make McCain pay” because none of them had Palin on their short-lists is beyond silly. That's not how things work. Halperin was being melodramatic for his audience. Everyone in the Washington media is looking out for themselves and happily stabbing each other in the back. Perhaps those who thought they had close ties with McCain felt betrayed by him, but that wasn't the “Washington media”.

    “What's more, he told the interviewer that the Washington media had informed McCain of which potential VP picks they deemed acceptable, and that McCain had, in turn, agreed to choose from the pool of media-approved candidates. “

    Yeah, no. That didn't happen. But I believe that Mark Halperin said that it happened.

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  129. The main problem here is that the right abandoned popular culture and media to the left and as Andrew Breitbart said, culture is upstream of politics. He also pointed out that the right should be able to sell liberty and prosperity to anyone.

    The left has spent the past few decades making sure minorities (including the prosperous and educated Asians and Jews so widely praised here) and young people don't even listen to anything a conservative source says. They've done a great job poisoning the well on the right.

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  130. "Since 'gay-friendly' companies rake in mucho profit, they donate handsomely to pro-gay politicians, institutions, and causes. " - So then the question becomes why don't they already run things?

    Don't they?" - this is a very recent development, why, historically, have they failed to gain such power over others?

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  131. Additionally, my relatives are always complaining about the smelly food (particularly in the dumpster of the Chinese market nearby, which is much stinkier than your garden-variety supermarket dumpster)

    How do we know that our oh-so superior squeaky-clean Western food doesn`t smell worse to their heathen noses? I am reminded of an East Indian who said, honestly, that white people smell. I asked further. He said it was their perfumes, colognes, and lingering odors from soaps and shampoos. And, irony of ironies, deodorants!

    and the constant spitting.

    This is a myth, at least where I live. I know many Asian people and I have never seen one spit in public. Mind you, where I live they are all doctors and dentists, so that may be a factor. I suspect that some powerful anti-Asian forces are behind this propaganda of spitting Asians, ones that would much prefer the sight and sound of ghetto blacks "spitting" out high-velocity bullets.

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  132. Speaking of the media's campaign to kill Palin the second McCain announced her, consider they're trying to do the same thing to Paul Ryan and Palin and Ryan have only one thing in common--they're in the GOP.

    Yahoo is especially good at writing headlines that attack. One of their headlines this morning was something like "Why is Paul Ryan Still Trying to Repeal Obamacare?" as if Paul Ryan doesn't know better than 99.9% of everyone else in this country just how Obamacare is going to, once and for all, push us over the cliff, as if Paul Ryan doesn't know the budget better than 99.% of anyone else in this country.

    So, it doesn't matter. Palin or Paul Ryan. They are Republicans and you see, the pc press just can't stand any anti-Dem, anti-Obama thought.

    Until the American public somehow (and I don't know how) has greater access to a moderated news source (not the major networks nor anything powered by Silicon Valley's Google or Yahoo) we are stuck with lies.

    Only one other thing I can think of might turn the tide--for someone, anyone to kill the career of a major journalist for one of the networks, say, an anchor person of the nightly news show, or to kill the career of a morning host like Lauer, by showing out and out manipulation of the news.

    The Zimmerman case case is a perfect example, but there's been no upheaval on the part of an organized party to make the news agencies and networks pay.

    Lots of blogs have done a good job, like Last Refuge, but it's going to take a kind of Rand Paul sort to go on a lengthy attack, a kind of Edward R. Murrow attack of "journalists" to the point their careers are shattered.

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  133. "Contrast Palin's inflammatory "pallin' around" statement with the statement Vice President Joe Biden made on the campaign trail this past Fall when he told a predominantly black audience in Virginia that Mitt Romney was "goin' put y'all back in chains."

    "The mainstream media didn't raise an eyebrow over Biden's comments. So again, how a public figure comes off in the media depends largely on how the media decides to portray the public figure."

    So true, but I'd say that behind the scenes they cringe when Biden does his thing, but they reason they ignore his idiocies is because they see the present administration as THEIR administration.

    The bloom is off the rose with their love affair with Obama. They know he's thin-skinned; they know he hasn't any of the leadership qualities that some Presidents have. They even know by now that he's not at all the "brilliant" Harvard grad they wanted him to be. However, that's all irrelevant. He espouses their perception of the world, for the most part, and they forgive him his transgressions (Benghazi, Gitmo, drones) just because they hate the other side.

    Most people think them to be sycophants, but you could just as easily argue that Obama is the sycophant and that HE's THEIR BITCH.

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  134. "Yes, anyone who thinks the media only attacks idiots is themselves and idiot. There are plenty of idiots among the Democrats for them to attack, and in many other places.
    The only conclusion is that they attack and label as idiots those who they perceive as a threat."

    All very true, but Palin really was a poor choice. But then, so was Bush II. I must say... the media went relatively easy on Bush II in 2000 and 2004. Maybe its wild support of Obama in 2008 was a kind of repentance for having gone easy on Bush II, especially in the driveup to the war in Iraq.... though his nice negro mulatto-ness was enough for that.

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  135. "Most people think them to be sycophants, but you could just as easily argue that Obama is the sycophant and that HE's THEIR BITCH."

    Media personalities are his bitch, but he is the bitch of media owners who are really of the same gang/tribe that runs Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, Law firms, etc.

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  136. Cali and Elvis are definitely correct. There are not many libertarians in the strict sense of the word in these parts. There aren't many anywhere.

    But I've lived around the US and it seems that unless they work for TVA, ORNL, or such, people here are esp prone to favor hard-right positions reflexively. One needn't go far out of his way to find people who believe "all govt. is evil" on principle, even beyond the pot issue. My mileage only.

    (An accessible & sometimes useful dipstick is the reader comments section of stories at knoxnews.com. The trend there is that the local hard-to-anarchist right is overwhelmingly dominant, w/ one or two local "liberal" hissy fits - often badly written - appearing only to be dismissed. The argumentation of the former is exactly what one would expect out of an 18-year-old who has read Atlas Shrugged but who didn't grok much of its peculiar vocab. The perennial Bible-quoters are merely static.)

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  137. The main problem here is that the right abandoned popular culture and media to the left

    When and how did they do this? When did "the right" control popular culture? How did they abandon it?

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  138. >Obama is [...] THEIR BITCH.<

    I love Obama conspiracy theories because Occam's Razor is so fun to wield. In this case, the conspiracy theorists are convincing wrt lack of adequate paper trail, unforthcoming classmates, and all that. So I propose the following SIMPLIFIED theory about who B.Obama really is. Not a regular guy from Hawaii. Not an Kenyan commie, either.

    He was a shoeshine boy in the lobby of Goldman in NYC, selected more or less at random to run and be "their bitch" in the WH. All the skimpy documentation to the contrary was put together on the 22nd floor.

    You might think that this is a joke in bad taste. It isn't meant to be. If you've studied history, then it seems no less plausible than things that have happened before in this country and many others.

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  139. He was a shoeshine boy in the lobby of Goldman in NYC,

    Not an elevator operator?

    If you've studied history, then it seems no less plausible than things that have happened before in this country and many others.

    How true.

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  140. Last July 4th my beach in Westport, Ct was taken over by Mexicans from other (poorer and diverser) towns. They woke up and arrived before everyone else to watch the fireworks. There aren´t to many nice beaches in fairfield county so this is valuable real estate.

    Westport, CT is Greenwich,CT light. It´s the second richest town after Greenwich I believe. No doubt mostly Democrats that (when in public) love diversity and vibrancy. However, after being kicked off their own turf on July 4th, I bet a lot began thinking keeping Mexicans out isn´t such a bad thing.

    When I returned home to tell my very liberal mom that Mexicans had taken over Compo beach and it was immpossible to find a place to watch the fireworks, she didn´t believe me. I made her go see for herself, when she came home all she could say was , "they were behaving very well".

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  141. Back on topic:

    How much flak is Enos getting? One fears for his fate as one fears for that of the child in the story The Emperor's New Clothes. Even Putnam didn't dare.

    I mean, where is Foxman's inevitable press release? Or is he secretly with the old Pod?

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  142. >Obama is [...] THEIR BITCH.<

    I love Obama conspiracy theories because Occam's Razor is so fun to wield. In this case, the conspiracy theorists are convincing wrt lack of adequate paper trail, unforthcoming classmates, and all that. So I propose the following SIMPLIFIED theory about who B.Obama really is. Not a regular guy from Hawaii. Not an Kenyan commie, either.
    ______________________________

    I certainly didn't mean by my remark to suggest any conspiracy. I mean only that the press has found someone that espouses, for the most part, their pts. of view. Their earlier fantasies of him have given way to reality, but that's okay with them because hey, his views on things have "evolved" as have theirs.

    They know they can mostly count on him to do what they'd do were they in office.

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  143. There's a long, long paper trail on Obama's early years. It's mostly just boring. Until he got to Harvard Law School at 27, nobody thought of him as a first black President because his friends didn't think of him as black (he didn't make a single black friend in his 4 years in NYC), they thought of him as "international" or "multicultural." And his friends didn't think of him as a leader.

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  144. Speaking of the media's campaign to kill Palin the second McCain announced her, consider they're trying to do the same thing to Paul Ryan and Palin and Ryan have only one thing in common--they're in the GOP.

    There's a second thing they had in common: they have the potential to increase the GOP's take of the vote beyond the usual GOP voters. Those are the candidates the Democrats really fear, and the media savages. Ron Paul appealed to college students, which the Dems consider a core voting block, so he was dangerous (and the GOP agreed with them, of course). Palin potentially could have appealed to white women, whom the Dems think they should own due to feminism. Ryan could appeal to those libertarian college kids, and he's enough of a wildcard to make a populist case (if he wanted) to the blue collar workers who are getting squeezed hardest by the welfare state, so he has to be demonized too.

    In contrast, men like Bush I, Dole, and McCain were treated much more fairly by the media, because the Dems didn't fear them. Even if they won, as Bush did, Dems knew nothing radical would happen, and they'd simply push their agenda through Congress for a while. Bush II was seen that way as well at first (one of his selling points was how bipartisan he was in Texas), and that only changed after the cowboy hawk stuff started after 9/11.

    Even Dan Quayle, while maybe not as much of a danger as Palin or Ryan, was too conservative to be allowed to establish a decent reputation, so he was painted with the same old "stupid Republican" brush -- and treated far worse than his boss, who didn't scare them.

    All Republicans get bad treatment from the media, but only the dangerous ones get the full savaging that guarantees the average TV viewer will "know" they are stupid or racist or both.

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  145. O must be an IN (Myers-Briggs), then, as Steve has already noted a number of times. They don't like making zillions of friends - more into micro friendship.

    Haven't followed the paper trail. Newsmax basically says it's dodgy. In E TN, Newsmax is huge. (That's tongue-in-cheek.)

    Enos's article may prove to be a bonanza for those bus drivers who bus black voters from all points to the voting stations. They will find their business doubled by busing those same people entirely OUT of town in the weeks beforehand. The old out and in, it may come to be called.

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  146. Drunk Idiot3/11/13, 6:47 PM

    @Dirk

    "Don't be silly, the media LOVED her."

    They sure didn't at first. They were legitimately panicked when McCain rolled her out.

    They went into Defcon 4 mode and worked overtime to take her down after her speech at the Republican Convention (remember, her RNC speech, replete with its "hockey moms" ad lib, polled extremely well with women voters).

    From the linked article:

    "Daniel Levy... noted that Obama’s “non-official campaign” would need to work hard to discredit Palin. “This seems to me like an occasion when the non-official campaign has a big role to play in defining Palin, shaping the terms of the conversation and saying things that the official [Obama] campaign shouldn’t say – very hard-hitting stuff..."

    Chris Hayes of the Nation wrote in with words of encouragement, and to ask for more talking points. “Keep the ideas coming! Have to go on TV to talk about this in a few min and need all the help I can get,” Hayes wrote.

    Suzanne Nossel, chief of operations for Human Rights Watch, added a novel take: “I think it is and can be spun as a profoundly sexist pick. Women should feel umbrage at the idea that their votes can be attracted just by putting a woman, any woman, on the ticket no matter her qualifications or views.”

    Mother Jones’s Stein loved the idea. “That’s excellent! If enough people – people on this list? – write that the pick is sexist, you’ll have the networks debating it for days. And that negates the SINGLE thing Palin brings to the ticket,”. . . .

    Time’s Joe Klein then linked to his own piece, parts of which he acknowledged came from strategy sessions on Journolist. “Here’s my attempt to incorporate the accumulated wisdom of this august list-serve community,” he wrote. And indeed Klein’s article contained arguments developed by his fellow Journ-o-listers.
    "

    If the media ever LOVED Palin, it was only after their efforts to define her as a drooling, inbred, illiterate moron succeeded in swaying the public against her. Once she was an albatross for Republicans, then sure, they probably loved to give her attention (even though they HATE HATE HATED her even more than they HATE HATE HATE boring white beta males).

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  147. Drunk Idiot3/11/13, 7:11 PM

    @Dirk

    "The idea that the “Washington media” as a monolithic block was determined to “make McCain pay” because none of them had Palin on their short-lists is beyond silly. That's not how things work. Halperin was being melodramatic for his audience. Everyone in the Washington media is looking out for themselves and happily stabbing each other in the back. Perhaps those who thought they had close ties with McCain felt betrayed by him, but that wasn't the “Washington media” . . .

    Yeah, no. That didn't happen. But I believe that Mark Halperin said that it happened.
    "

    Just reporting what Halperin said a day or two after Palin was announced as McCain's running mate.

    At the time, Halperin was the political director for ABC News, but he was also quietly working on a book that would serve as the official mainstream media behind-the-scenes chronicle of campaign '08. That book, Game Change, would end up savaging Palin.

    Maybe Halperin was being melodramatic, and maybe he was just speaking for himself (it seems plausible that he might have done preliminary research on McCain's most likely potential VP choices so that he could easily insert the info into the book, and that may have been pissed at McCain since the Palin choice was going to force him to do extra work).

    Still, you'd think that he would have welcomed the dramatic plot twist that McCain had just injected into the campaign. His book, after all, ended up being as much about Palin as it was about Obama.

    In that interview, he sounded sincerely upset with McCain. And I'm inclined to believe what he said about the media.

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  148. "'..and the constant spitting.'

    This is a myth, at least where I live. I know many Asian people and I have never seen one spit in public. Mind you, where I live they are all doctors and dentists, so that may be a factor. I suspect that some powerful anti-Asian forces are behind this propaganda of spitting Asians, ones that would much prefer the sight and sound of ghetto blacks "spitting" out high-velocity bullets."


    Maybe not. On my travels in Singapore, I noticed there are significant fines associated with spitting- it seems they have a problem with it from the recent Chinese immigrants there.

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  149. All this talk about McCain catching everybody off guard by nominating Palin to be his running mate brings to mind other surprise running mate picks.

    Joe Biden had been high up on the shortlist of everybody in the media and was viewed as the safe VP pick for Obama (really!). A lot of conservatives were still surprised by the pick though, because Biden is an absolute freaking moron, and his presence on the ticket seemingly detracted from one of Obama's biggest selling points (well, aside from being black) -- namely, that he was the most brilliant man who had ever run for president.

    Bob Dole's pick of Jack Kemp in '96 caught everybody off guard though. The conventional Beltway wisdom was that Dole would likely pick a southerner like Lamar Alexander or Connie Mack, Jr.

    Kemp was seen as an "out of left field" pick. Although he'd been a hero to many conservatives in the 80s, he'd been out of politics for a few years and was more or less "out of sight, out of mind" at the time of his selection.

    There was really nobody out there who saw the Kemp pick coming.

    Well, almost nobody.

    I was interning at the Illinois House of Reps that summer, and a Republican advisor I worked with who'd been a Kemp delegate in 1988 told me very early on in the summer that he'd been informed of a deal that had been cut for Kemp to be the Republican VP nominee.

    He obviously hoped that it would pan out, but as the summer wore on, it looked increasingly less likely that it would.

    I even started to wonder about the guy's credibility. He was, after all, a guy in his 30s who was still working in a low paying policy analyst job that everybody else used to springboard into the corporate world by the time they were 26 or 27 (hire political operatives, gain favor and influence with elected officials!).

    But the minute that Kemp was, in fact, introduced as Dole's running mate, I realized that, the political class' protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, national politics really does turn on back room deals.

    Election results aside, political outcomes really are often predetermined. The political process really is often more about selling an already predetermined outcome to the voters than it is about convincing voters to chose one outcome over another.

    That's why I'm expecting Jeb/Rubio to lose gracefully to Hillary/Rahm in 2016.


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  150. I wouldn't get too excited over the author's hypothesis if I were in the GOP brain trust (assuming there are at least some higher-ups with brains in the GOP). Some of his conclusions seem like they're on shaky ground.

    "... the city of Chicago began a massive effort in 2000 to overhaul its public housing. Large and notorious housing projects, such as Cabrini-Green, were demolished, and their residents were relocated. More than 99 percent of the relocated residents were African American. The outcome of the effort was the reverse of my experiment in Boston — rather than coming into contact, groups were separated.

    Did that separation result in more liberal political views? Voting patterns among white residents living near these projects before and after their demolition showed that it did. After their African American neighbors left, fewer white residents turned out to vote, and voters became less likely to choose Republican candidates, whom they had previously supported at higher levels than had residents in other parts of the city. It seems that the contact with African Americans had politically mobilized whites in Chicago, similar to how Southern whites were mobilized in the 1930s.
    "

    I call B.S. The author believes that being separated from black housing projects like Cabrini Green caused white Chicago voters to become more liberal and less Republican.

    But he assumes that the white post-Cabrini Green voters were the same people who lived there before Cabrini Green was demolished.

    Cabrini Green wasn't just removed because it was a notoriously crime-ridden slum though. The elite media doesn't differentiate between project demolitions like Pruitt-Igoe in St. Louis, Brewster-Doublass in Detroit and Cabrini Green in Chicago.

    But one of these three is not like the others

    Gentrification was spreading through Chicago like wildfire in the 90s and 2000s, and Cabrini Green was a blighted area that was surrounded by some of the hottest real estate in the city.

    The neighborhoods surrounding Cabrini Green were/are some of the wealthiest parts of Chicago. Now that all the Cabrini Green buildings are gone, the area is home to nothing but young, affluent white liberals -- the prototypical SWPLs.

    And a few blocks north is an area known as "billionaires row," which is home to rich liberal people like Penny Pritzker.

    But these are people who have moved in over the last few years because, with Cabrini Green out of the way, the area is one of the most desirable locations in Chicago.

    Blacks were exported out and affluent white SWPLs -- the kind of white people who are liberal/left/progressive in the first place -- moved in.

    Saying that contact with blacks had mobilized whites ChiKKKagoans in the same way that southern whites were mobilized against blacks in the 1930s (by the KKK?) is exactly the kind of thing you'd expect from someone writing in the NYT, but it's missing enough key facts as to be absurd.

    If the GOP sees the conclusions reached in this NYT piece as a ray of hope, they're even more clueless than they appear.

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  151. Yes, roughly half the states have "higher than average" numbers of Asians, and roughly half the states have "lower than
    average" numbers of Asians, that's kind of how averages work, Sport.
    --Truth

    No, Truth, that's how medians work.

    For the difference between averages and medians, check the net worths of Bill Gates's kindergarten class.

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  152. There would be no single nationwide rule but in Calif. the productive citizenry seem to be filling up the unincorporated exurbs. Here in the northeastern quadrant of the Sacramento area a ballot measure to incorporate last Nov. went down in flames, as per expectation. I noticed that Romney lost every municipality in the L.A. vicinity except Tustin yet still narrowly won Orange County. Romeny lost Tustin but won Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, Mission Viejo and most all of south Orange County. And he won Yorba LInda and Villa Park.

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  153. Romeny did better than MCCain in Oc he won 53 percent of the vote while Mccain won 50 percent.

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  154. Well, I don't blame the Dem machines the republicans lost California when they went lite on enforcing the immirgation rules. Pete Wilson a moderate on some things but strong on immirgation was the last to win. As I stated in LA Whites still opposed a tax hike while Hispanics spported it.

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  155. You see a lot on Ron Paul fans, but not a lot of libertarians. A lot of the people who support Paul believe (with some justification) that he's a Pat Buchanan type figure. I'd guess that only a negligible percentage of "Ronulans" are on board with the libertarian project. You own description of them seems to confirm that. The Ron Paul types are not evangelical atheists or fanatical one worlders, and those two things are the essence of libertarianism in modern America Ron Paul isn't he is only supported by the right because of the gold standard and being anti-war, he is closer to libertarians than paleo-cons since he believes that businessmen can hire illegals and opposes e-verify and now even opposes a fence, a lot of paleo-cons were con by him. In fact Rand Paul the more regular Republican can do better than the old man. He too isn't great on immirgation but on the social issues and other issues he is a better spokeperson for the state rights since the regular Republicans will listen to him..

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  156. This is not overly complicated, Reg; There are, arguably, two states in America with "a lot" of Asians, Hawaii, and California (see below). There are five states in America with more Asians than blacks, Hawaii, Oregon and California, which are blue, Alaska which is ultra red, and Washington which is purple.

    1
    Hawaii
    41.6%

    2
    California
    10.9%

    3
    New Jersey
    5.7%

    4
    New York
    5.5%

    5
    Washington
    5.5%

    6
    Nevada
    4.5%

    7
    Maryland
    4.0%

    8
    Alaska
    4.0%

    9
    Massachusetts
    3.8%

    10
    Virginia
    3.7

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  157. "David said...

    He was a shoeshine boy in the lobby of Goldman in NYC,...."

    He was polishing something, anyway.

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  158. Dallas County

    311

    356

    14.5%



    Harris County

    346

    508

    46.8%



    Tarrant County

    51

    107

    109.8%



    Travis County

    167

    303

    81.4%



    Bexar County

    96

    91

    -5.2%



    Fort Bend County

    15

    54

    260.0%



    Total

    986

    1419

    43.9%



    New York City moving to Texas-manhataan.

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  159. Larry McDonald - now there's a democrat I could, and assuredly would, have voted for. A remarkable man, and a demise (or was it?) straight out of a James Bond film.

    Are there any Democrats of his ilk left at all now, anywhere? It seems about as likely as Abe Foxman joining the Tea Party.

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  160. "Don't be silly, the media LOVED her."

    As a bimbo circus clown... which she really was.

    My beef isn't what the media did with Palin but what they didn't do with Obama.
    The media SHOULD and MUST go after politicians, so the media did the right thing with Palin the dumbass phony. But Obama got a break from the media, and THAT is the shame.

    I don't want the media to go easy on Repugs like they do for dummycrats. I want the media to go hard on both.

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  161. "The main problem here is that the right abandoned popular culture and media to the left."

    "When and how did they do this? When did "the right" control popular culture? How did they abandon it?"

    Good question. The liberals always had an upperhand in arts and culture. Even the far left was more involved in culture than the mainstream right.

    But Hollywood used to have lots of conservatives or conservative-leaning centrists and liberals. Cecil B. Demille, Louis B. Mayer, Walt Disney, John Ford, Howard Hawks, Raoul Walsh, James Stewart, Alfred Hitchcock(apolitical but his view of humanity was closer to conservatism), and many others. Not all listed above were conservative but conservative themes ran through many of their works. Even the populist Capra was a Republican. And even liberals loved to play manly conservative roles. Most of Paul Newman's roles had great appeal to conservatives.

    Also, keep in mind that much of pop culture in the 60s was neither left nor right. Left was freaked by Dylan going electric. Progs were worried about young people preferring hedonism over commitment. And some people saw American pop culture as capitalist assault on socialist virtue. Communist nations and many European leftist saw it that way.
    So, the right has an opening in the culture war in the 60s and 70s. But mainstream right culturally stuck with Pat Boone and Lawrence Welk Show and country music, and so the new culture was claimed by the left.

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  162. I just wish people could see how much of a disaster Southern California is as a result of diversity. My Oregon relatives have no idea. They live in this white utopia where diversity is romanticized.

    A huge part of the problem is the government and medias insistence that different races have different identities. I've grown up with part-Latinos who looked Italian, yet became disillusioned with their identity and started looking at themselves as an aggrieved minority. They were "different" because they were told they were different.

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  163. spitoon culture3/12/13, 2:05 PM

    "This is a myth, at least where I live. I know many Asian people and I have never seen one spit in public. Mind you, where I live they are all doctors and dentists, so that may be a factor. I suspect that some powerful anti-Asian forces are behind this propaganda of spitting Asians, ones that would much prefer the sight and sound of ghetto blacks "spitting" out high-velocity bullets."

    Well they have been exposed to different standards..Chinese spitting (and in the case of those of recent peasant origins, also farting) is not forbidden in China.
    I had a Chinese friend, former Communist party member until she married a half-Japanese-half-white, American, who, in the 80s & early 90s, was a tour guide for other Chinese who were visiting in Europe and America. Mostly they were attending conferences, were well educated but not well traveled, and were not peasants (that's another story). And she did have to tell them not to spit under the tables.

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  164. So wait a a minute, Obama's career is basically a real-life enactment of "Trading Places"?? It was a good movie I guess.

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  165. Chinese spitting (and in the case of those of recent peasant origins, also farting) is not forbidden in China.

    This is a huge surprise, given the commie/leftoid habit of regulating everything; and instilling needless hate, fear, and guilt in people (especially of themselves.) Commies just love to take the scrub brush to anything "unclean" even when totally impractical. They would be the first to criminalize farmers for dirt under fingernails.

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  166. Actually, the Obama administration has more than a hint of "Brewster's Millions" about it too.

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  167. You'll figure on asians are dated California is about 13 to 14 percent now. Nevada has almost as many asians as Washington state as a percentage its closed to 8 percent. Texas is about 5 percent and there are a few places in Texas like Fort Bend county where there are over 20 percent.

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  168. re: Romney in Orange County, CA

    County precincts aren't apportioned within city limits so you can't say he "won" Newport or Huntington Beach, certainly not carrying the majority of the inner precincts. Mission Viejo is well outside the L.A. metro and I'd never heard of Villa Park till now; didn't realize it was a city. It was the exurbs, i.e. brush-fire country that put Romney ahead by ~70,000 votes, despite losing block after block of old-time GOP cores like Buena Park, Fullerton, Garden Grove, etc. Of course he lost the rest of S. Calif. just as McCain had.

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  169. A complaint about Americans in the colonial and revolutionary periods was that they spit everywhere. In my youth in a small town in Kentucky, I seem to remember most grown men spitting all the time, and not just tobacco. (Haven't seen much spitting in TN.) It never occurred to me to consider it gross until I was about 6 yrs. old.

    In TN, men and women fart quite deliberately in social settings, non-jokingly, to register disapproval. I have been directly farted on several times by the most surprising people, including my (ex) mother-in-law.

    The idea that the Chinese are barbarians while people in the lower Appalachians are civilized or well-mannered, is a joke.

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  170. In my youth in a small town in Kentucky, I seem to remember most grown men spitting all the time, and not just tobacco.

    Same here, growing up in the rural Midwest 30+ years ago. Most boys spat all the time too, presumably to imitate their fathers, older brothers, or pro baseball players who used chewing tobacco. I never got in the habit myself. Guys would "work up a loogie" so they'd have something to spit; I guess I figured as long as my loogies stayed down where they belonged, I had no desire to have them in my mouth.

    This was all outdoors, though; no one spat on the floor.

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  171. In TN, men and women fart quite deliberately in social settings, non-jokingly, to register disapproval. I have been directly farted on several times by the most surprising people, including my (ex) mother-in-law.

    So what sort of conduct would justify such a response? When you're hanging out with people that crude, it must take something realy outrageous to get them to fart on you.

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  172. The media SHOULD and MUST go after politicians, so the media did the right thing with Palin the dumbass phony.

    No.

    They just made shit up about her. They didn't bother to find the real dirt.

    She cheated on her husband with his business partner. She mudsharked with Glen Rice. She was a super-slut, but that didn't come out.

    The media made up their own narrative with almost no basis in fact, which is what they do with everything.

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  173. Interesting the Register did an article on a lot of inactive voters removed from the OC Register of voters. The City of Stanton over 50 percent Hispanic had a whopping 24 percent the least was high income white Villa Park where voter Registeration increase by 11 percent. The Gop pick up a percentage point to 44 percent while the Dems remain at 32 percent. Importing a new people mainly Hispanic and some low income Asians in OC like Westminster and Garden Grove doesn't always help the Dems.

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